Don’t you love these Internet Surveys?


I love Internet surveys, they are so easy to manipulate 🙂

Yesterday Drew Fustini posted on G+ the letter he got about one of the few new 64 bit development boards which he ordered.

As you see from the letter this board will go for sale end of November as still didn’t pass necessary tests for FCC – it have cellular modem and WiFi on it.

Screenshot from 2015-10-15 12-56-58

In one of the comments on G+ post is seen that this obviously do no stop people to choose this same board which probably is sampled just to few developers (Qualcomm gave away few on Linux Con and OpenWRT) as #5 in “Top Ten Hacker SBCs” by

So people may wonder how do Hackers evaluated this board and selected is as board of choice if it’s still not even shipped to mass users?
It’s a mystery which Qualcomm PR dept may unveil 🙂

Fact is that all these Internet surveys are easy to manipulate, so always have a bit in skepticism in mind when you read next “which p@nnis is bigger” survey done on the internet.

7 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Fifox
    Oct 17, 2015 @ 00:24:22

    If I understand the screenshot you posted right, the text says, that you can get your board immediately, i.e., before FCC certification is finished, if you sent in a written declaration, that you’re ordering the board for development and use as an evaluation kit for your independent project. End users on the other hand have to wait for FCC certification. Since Arrows lists this board for quite a while already and (if I’m not completely wrong) has shipped at least one batch already, why are you so surprised, that some people have worked with it already?


  2. LinAdmin
    Oct 17, 2015 @ 14:56:48

    What makes you believe that linux-gizmos could have _manipulated_ the results of their 2015 Hacker SBC Survey?

    And btw, do you have permission to host their jpg graphic on your webserver?


    • OLIMEX Ltd
      Oct 17, 2015 @ 16:39:34

      Where do you read I said linux-gizmos have manipulated the survey? All I wrote is that such internet surveys could be easily manipulated.
      Read again what I wrote – Qualcomm PRs know best how this is done 😉
      Bot nets could easily vote from different IPs for whatever you want.


      • H.Trickler
        Oct 18, 2015 @ 14:25:57

        Also in your answer above you do not state that it has been manipulated.

        But you again say that ” Qualcomm PRs know best how this is done”. This again is kind of an allusion which I see as unfair or illegal, unless you have kind of proof of such activities.

        What would you replay to somebody complaining that you are competent in pulling others into dirt without ever saying in clear words what you object 😉

        BTW, such surveys imho are of very limited value.

      • OLIMEX Ltd
        Oct 18, 2015 @ 15:18:03

        as you understand correctly I just do wonder how board which is not for sale yet become #5 in the list 5-6 month ago in survey taken among thousands of “hackers” online

      • ssvb
        Oct 19, 2015 @ 22:03:54

        Well, they are admitting it themselves: “Some 43 percent of participants had first-hand experience with their primary choice, down to 33 percent for the second choice and 23 percent for third”.

        Basically, the majority of participants even did not have first-hand experience with the hardware they were voting for! So this survey is all about which boards are perceived to be attractive. Or in other words, this survey shows which boards people would want to have after doing a bit of Internet research.

      • ssvb
        Oct 19, 2015 @ 22:44:50

        The real question is actually why Allwinner based boards lost attractiveness since the 2014 survey, where they showed reasonably good results: “One processor trend did seem clear, however, judging both from the selections and reader comments. The open source community appears to be increasingly frustrated with Allwinner’s Linux support. While three Allwinner based boards made last year’s top 10, there are none this year”.

        I believe that some public opinion manipulation really did take place, but would probably attribute it to a massive Allwinner bashing campaign on Phoronix. It happened because Allwinner made and later (fully?) corrected some awkward copyright/license related mistakes when they were publishing their CedarX VPU decoder library on github. But people in Phoronix forums happily generalized problems to the whole software stack on Allwinner device and started assuming the worst, especially considering that these Phoronix articles kept coming one after another! This bad PR did a lot of damage.

        And of course, the competitors also did not stand still. The Raspberry Pi 2, ODROID C1 and other new hardware indeed looks interesting.

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