Friday Free Board Quiz: PCB trace Zo characteristic impedance – prize is OLIMEXINO-32U4 Arduino Leonardo compatible board


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If we have PCB with traces with 65 Ohm characteristic impedance terminated with 10 ohm resistor and we measure the resistance with Ohm meter, what the Ohm meter measurement will show?

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17 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. chris
    Nov 20, 2015 @ 21:46:41

    10 Ohm

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  2. LIME-fan
    Nov 20, 2015 @ 22:54:53

    As the impedance is frequency related and the ohm-meter measures at 0Hz, the trace has minimal resistance. So the resistance is 10ohms (resistor) plus the resistance of the trace, the via and the solder connection (some 0.1 Ohms) plus the resistance of the plane (0.001Ohms?).

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  3. Zivko
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 00:14:54

    What LIME-fan said

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  4. Ogi
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 00:24:01

    The meter will show ~ 10 Ohms (The 10 Ohm resistor + negligible trace resistance.) The ohm meter will not measure the initial impedance (which should be around 65 Ohm)

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  5. Ogi
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 00:36:55

    ~10 Ohm (10 Ohm resistor + the negligible trace resistance)
    (The ohm meter will not measure the initial impedance ~65 Ohm)

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  6. GeeKen
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 08:59:17

    Assuming this is a DVM based Ohmeter, it will show Infinite ohms, as a DVM operates & measures in the DC realm. In the circuit shown, the capacitor in the circuit presents infinite Ohms to DC, so the DVM will display “Infinite” ohms – or at least a very high Ohm figure.

    The claimed Ohms figures on the drawing only kick in at significant frequencies, as they are not “Resistances”, but “Impedences” (i.e., AC Ohm statistics).

    This is a TRICK question🙂
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  7. GeeKen
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 09:03:53

    I just noticed that that is a Resistor in the circuit, not a Capacitor, so the DVM will show 10 ohms. The 65 ohms will not be involved in the measurement, as per my last post, as that is an “Impedence”. That is the trick item in this question – the term “Impedence” instead of the term “Resistance” gives the game away🙂

    So ignore about half of my last post !

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  8. Guest
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 10:16:56

    Shouldn’t the question be: Why terminate a 60 Ohm trace with 10 Ohm?😉

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  9. Kliment Petkov
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 11:13:13

    As simple math states the summary impedance should be 140 Ohms, but since the capacitance formed by the two parallel copper tracks Ohm meter have to show infinite or very high value

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  10. Roux
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 12:51:18

    About 10 Ohm. I assume that the trace and the plane DC resistances are less than the Resistors tolerance…

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  11. indreias
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 18:43:32

    It’s DC versus AC – as we’ll use an Ohm meter the measurement will show 10 ohms.

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  12. MiLANCo.
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 20:52:35

    10 Ohm + some (small) trace resistance

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  13. LinAdmin
    Nov 21, 2015 @ 21:02:41

    My ohm meter shows 10.2 ohms.

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  14. LinuxUser
    Nov 22, 2015 @ 01:10:47

    If ohm meter would use DC current to do measurements, it would display something a bit above of 10Ohms: 10 Ohms for resistor itself and small extra for trace and ground plane DC resistance, etc.

    In case of DC whole process is static and whole meaning of “impedance” downspirals to resistive part. Inductive and capactive parts of impedance make no sense for DC current and do not affect current flow.

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  15. Marcus
    Nov 23, 2015 @ 14:08:15

    The 65 ohms characteristic impedance doesn’t matters for the measurements using DC. The display will show 10ohms + DC resistence of the pcb trace.
    The DC resistence can only be educated guessed based on the majority of lenghts we already saw on PCBs because, in fact, the PCB trace could be of any arbitrary lenght and still presents 65ohms impedance: think of a spiral on the PCB for example. From our experience we can guess 0,1ohm for the trace.

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  16. webracerx
    Nov 23, 2015 @ 15:16:36

    It will be between 45 and 80 Ohms due to typical material
    geometries, and if the signal changes layer then the
    trace geometry should be adjusted as necessary to
    maintain a consistent Zo.

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  17. Jerry Stuckle
    Nov 23, 2015 @ 23:02:48

    10 ohms. AC impedance has no effect on a DC resistance.

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