Microsoft with keynote speak on LinuxCon – if you can’t beat them join them?


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No, you read it correct there is no mistake. This year Microsoft has keynote speak at LinuxCon in Toronto🙂

As per their Azure blog they are going to share Microsoft’s open source developments there.

I guess this is part of Microsoft activity to appear as more open source friendly company trying to break in the open source enthusiasts market?

None is using Windows on small embedded SBC where Linux and Android is dominating and they try to make their path there?

As part of this recently Microsoft ported their power shell to Linux, pretty useless effort IMO who Linux user would switch from Bash to power shell?

11 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Bobby
    Aug 25, 2016 @ 12:07:38

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  2. Petr Moses
    Aug 25, 2016 @ 12:58:17

    Most of it has to do with Azure and to some extent with HyperV. People run on Microsoft HW and virtual machines Linux. They need to support it or customers will move to another shop.
    BTW: Microsoft switches run on Microsoft Linux🙂
    If you can count into “SBC” old Vias, HMIs from Weintek, Siemens, Beckhof then yes, Microsoft is in this market for about 20 years.
    Olimex goes into this market from bottom up (Olimexino, Olinuxino … Oliserver, OliBlackStar), Microsoft moves here because of computers are smaller and smaller, from top to bottom.
    https://www.gumstix.com/support-services/third-party-solutions/windows-ce/

    Other question is if Microsoft is on this market profitable.

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    • OLIMEX Ltd
      Aug 25, 2016 @ 13:21:31

      windows-ce I do remember I had HP phone running it, had to remove the battery every day to restart it as it was hanging after running few applications … about CE for embedded they never attracted me, as they were providing closed BSP which you can’t touch nor tailor and didn’t bother to support you with anything if you do not promise to buy thousands of licensees which were cheap BTW something like 2-3$ per licensee

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  3. Petr Moses
    Aug 25, 2016 @ 13:49:28

    @Olimex: I had same experience with Windows. But it didn’t stop companies to invest into it. I remember one simple gateway at power plant used Windows 3.11 as OS. They needed to restart it every week.
    While looking for OPC: http://www.opcdatahub.com/WhatIsOPC.html I found interesting project: http://www.openplcproject.com/
    I think that in PLC/SCADA is landscape changing towards open source.

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  4. Edward M Lukacs
    Aug 25, 2016 @ 13:52:05

    Let them speak all they like. It will not matter a whit to me. I left them behind 22 years ago when I downloaded Kernel 0.91, shortly followed by Yggdrasil Linux. The only operating system that I have ever paid a licence fee for was QNX 4. No, Windows has always been an insecure, patched-together hodge-podge not worth running and the company’s business practices make Attila the Hun look like a saint.
    Since they have lost the operating system wars, they have become champions of “he Cloud.” IMHO, the only worthwhile cloud is in their grey matter. In these days of gigabit networking speed, ultra-secure on the fly encryption and ten cent a gig disk drives, actually PAYING to store ANYTHING OF VALUE on hardware open to the world and owned and administered by SOMEONE ELSE is only for the lazy and the inept. Let them speak. What difference can it possibly make?

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    • sergio
      Aug 25, 2016 @ 18:38:42

      ” Let them speak. What difference can it possibly make?”
      A big difference but I think not the way they intend🙂

      There are still a great many people that fear the uncertainty of Linux. They keep hearing good things about it from non-M$ people but are too scared to try it in case they upset something on their M$ PC or office network. Now a lot of people that were too scared to try Linux will get exposure to it.

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      • Edward M Lukacs
        Aug 25, 2016 @ 20:59:28

        “There are still a great many people that fear the uncertainty of Linux.”

        Very true, but remember that ages ago, the timid apes stayed in the trees while the braver ones went forth. The uniformity of technology and its encouragement of the herd instinct and conformity is much the same as the pseudo-equalisation and perceived safety of civilsation. Both may slow the pace of natural selection bt neither can stop it entirely.

        I was an RTE-A and HP-UX sysop, manly doing IS work when I was involved, at a very low command level, in the US Navy’s attempts to “standardize” their non-mission-critical systems on Windows PCs in the late 1990s. At the Naval Observatory, we succeeded in keeping our Unix workstations and servers in part because we ran a mountain of specialised software written in Fortran and C, running under HP-UX, IRIX, RTE-A, Ultrix and Linux, all of which would have to be ported at great expense to Windows 98.

        We warned them od what we saw and the officers who met with us left in a snit, But now I laugh at the Navy because exactly what we predicted has happened. They are saddled with expensive, unreliable and totally obsolete software which MUST run on obsolete hardware and literally everything is starting to fail. Truth be told, virtually all the exotic software we ran in the 1980s can be compiled and will run reliably on any current PC under any Linux OS from early Red Hat or Slackware to almost any modern distribution at all with only tiny code modifications from the original HP-UX, IRIX or Ultrix, mainly stuff which was written as there were few device drivers then for some of the equipment which ad to be connected.

        The Navy was short-sighted and doctrinaire and now they are paying for it. Though I am sounding off, believe me, I am not in the same class as are most of the much more talented people reading this, and by a large margin. But I saw the logical path when I first saw *nix in the mid 1980s and in my limited way I have kept to it. At that time I looked on in utter disbelief as our many Unix based systems ran on, month after month without trouble with two only people watching them and doing occasional backups while our Admin people, with maybe forty Windows PCs and one Novell server kept four full-time IT people hopping continuously. Sorry for the very long post, but truly, I see the problem for the people which you mention but I have little sympathy.

      • Bib
        Aug 27, 2016 @ 20:33:24

        Pfff ! … where are you living ? on m$ planet I guess. The uncertainty is on m$ side and this for many decades !
        I began my career on 1989. Unixes were at the time very much closed systems as nowadays m$, but even don’t know how would be our world now with bill-business-as-usual ! Even worst than the older Unixes marketer practices.

        Bib.

      • Edward M Lukacs
        Aug 27, 2016 @ 21:27:01

        I started in 1983, but computer operations did not assume high importance until about 1986. After some P training I started as sysop for three HP-1000 realtme systems (RTE-4 and RTE-A), since we were a scientific station. These were followed by a PA-RISC HP-9000 running HP-UX at just about the time that I became the custodian and operator of a PC system running a German government gravitation experiment running on a 286 system using QNX 2.13. Imagine prioritized real-time multitasking on a 286, and remember that the the QNX2 system was released in 1982 designed for and would run on an original 8088 IBM PC! Saw my first Windoze (3.1) on my first work PC (80286, 12MHz) and immediately blew it away as totally useless, replacing it with QNX. My own first PC (AMD 80386 SX, 25MHz, 2MB RAM) came with Windows 3 but I had the local builder replace it with a dual-boot, Coherent and I bought a copy of the new 32 bit QNX4.0.

        Of course, as I was my station’s engineer in a bad lightning area, I made certain the equipment was all well protected, with full time desktop UPS everywere and at first running plastic fibre RS-232 from all outlying terminals and PCs (1987) to our main HP1000 A900’s MUX card as a cheap and dirty network. Laer I replaced it directly with multi-mode fibre optic Ethernet (1989) when I established an internet domain for the station. Other Unix systems came and went,Ultrix, Irix, etc.

        During the entire decade from 1986 until the station’s closing in 1996, we certainly had a few computer problems, but they were all equipment failures. At the Florida Station not one byte of data was lost due to operating system problems, viruses or any of the many other diseases which plague Microsoft based systems. Ol’ Bill and his motley crowd have never cast their grubby shadows on my systems (thank God!) and they never shall. One HP-1000, the old system, aged eyond HP’s ability to service it, ran 38 months without a reboot.

        The only time I ad to deal with that crud from Redmond was later when I found myself in the previously mentioned Novell/Windows mess. But I was able to obtain a transfer back to my old department from IT not too long after my reassignment to Washington, DC and I have never looked back since.

      • sergio
        Aug 29, 2016 @ 01:01:53

        Hey Ed, sorry to rain on your parade but modern day Linux is much less stable than the old unix you’re used to. On the whole, the kernel is pretty good as long as you stick with old VERY common hardware, and don’t get sucked into the fancy distribution / GUI quagmire. There is so much broken (linux) software out there just waiting to swallow your time – but that’s ok because it’s free and you can fix it yourself if you want to use it (if you’re inclined to learn a dozen new languages, library interfaces and build mechanisms that is). So much stuff out there pretends to work but in fact is in such a putrid state of decay that it can actually destroy the integrity of a perfectly working installation.

        If you really want to use a modern free unix try FreeBSD. The community working on it really seem to have their act together.

      • Edward M Lukacs
        Aug 29, 2016 @ 01:48:41

        Sergio, I agree with you. I currently use either Slackware or Debian-based versions, dabbling occasionally with BSD which is dead safe. You must remember that I am now retired and if I screw up it’s no great problem. Also, I do tend to stick with proven hardware that I know, preferring dual or quad AMD 64 bit processors and very generic off-brand cards with no fancy firmware or drivers.

        One of the problems with modern Linux versions is that everyone is trying to seduce Windows users and frankly, the freelance community of developers seem forever to be in a fit of competitive one-upsmanship adding one asinine so-called feature after another to perfectly good, stable software. It’s crazy, and stupid as well. Truth be told, with the exception of some CAD software, there is nothing that I use every day that could not be found in, say, Ubuntu 7.04, the last version from them that I had any use for. Funny, the QNX was wonderful if a bit arcane and damned fussy to write for and debug, but what I most miss on a PC is of all things BeOS!

        I am writing this on an old Compaq Presario 2200 laptop with a Celeron-M which has been treated to a new screen, new keyboard, maxed out memory, a dvd/rw drive and a 64GB PATA SSD drive. It is running a fairly exotic Deban derivative called AntiX 16. (4.4.8 kernel) I use this 0ld clunker because I write novels and short stories these days, surfing for reference data and the 4×3 screen shape beats the hell out of 16×9 for word processing. It’s more than fast enough, I get 5 hours reliably from the battery and the fan rarely ever runs. I have a well set up desktop running Kali Linux with two huge disks as my main and backup system, and currently I am attempting to load Kali onto an UGOOS UT3S set-top box, blowing away the Android entirely. The quad A17 Rokchip RK3288 ARM CPU has more than enough horsepower than I’ll ever need and I want to leave the Intel/AMD world behind, as over 30 years I have always found RISC stuff to be far more efficient and stable.

        Sorry to go on so, but I wanted you to know that I, too dislike the instability of many Linux programs but I know what to steer clear of. Generally speaking when I have to kill a program which gets into an endless loop or otherwise goes goofy, I have found that going back to the earlier version usually cures the problem! Also compiling from source on the system that will run the program surprisingly often fixes a bunch of problems, though logically it should not.

        In the 1950s, the auto industry put tail fins and chrome all over the same old shit to keep selling obsolete crap. Now we all drive German or Japanese, in my case a Subaru. That is how I see much of the current software industry, and as Linux gains credibility I expect the refugees from Apple and Microsoft to move over, then they will ruin the best thing that ever happened to cheap computing. Think of fertilising a rose with a jet of liquid manure coming from a fire hose.

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